Factory used to lose engineering recruits over a sentence on its website: “The future is IDE-free.”
In 2023, the company was betting that developers would eventually move beyond the coding tools their work revolved around. Engineers interviewing to join thought the idea was insane.
“We almost took it down,” CEO Matan Grinberg recently told me, referring to the IDE-free slogan.
Now, Factory is ascendant, having just raised an additional $200 million at a $5 billion valuation. While the first wave of AI coding tools helped engineers write the next line, Factory has been building for a world where they can hand off the entire task, from start to finish, to the company’s Droid agents. As Grinberg explains, Factory is well positioned for coding work to spread across different models. The bear case for Factory is that one model wins everything.
We also discuss why he thinks AGI is already here, how Factory hires its own engineers, his view of the open-versus-closed AI debate, competition with companies like Cognition, and when companies should outsource to AI rather than build in-house.
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Episode highlights
Matan expects more people to do engineering, even if they don’t call themselves engineers. His analogy is the iPhone: taking thousands of photos no longer makes someone a photographer. As AI handles more of the coding, he sees the valuable skill as understanding a problem and defining what a solution needs.
He’s building for a world where people want many different models. Some tasks need a cheaper, faster model; others can cost less if you’re willing to wait. Matan argues that software should handle those trade-offs between capability, speed, and token costs. He compares it to making toast: “You don’t give a shit where the electricity in your toaster came from.”
He thinks we’re already living in a “post-AGI world.” Matan’s argument is that capabilities that would have stunned us four years ago now feel routine because we adjust so quickly. After a week of surprise at the capabilities of a new frontier model, he says, the reaction becomes: “All right, table stakes now. What’s next?”
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